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In Part 1 of
“Must The Church Face Persecution During The Great Tribulation”

we looked at Scriptures which show there is a difference between:

Tribulation In These Current Days
The Great Tribulation Which Is To Come




Persecution Because Of The Word
Persecution During The Great Tribulation

In this,  Part 2,  we will look at Scriptures which show us WHO will be persecuted during the Great Tribulation and WHERE the Great Tribulation will geographically be taking place.

There seems to be confusion in the Church regarding whether or not The Church will have to go through the Great Tribulation, since there are End Time passages of Scripture which speak of  “the saints” being persecuted.

Because of such passages of Scriptures, many in the Church are very quick to believe it is THE CHURCH which will be present during the Great Tribulation, facing drastic persecution.

But is that what Scripture teaches?

Let’s see:

Mark 13 teaches us:
But watch out for yourselves, for they will deliver you up to COUNCILS  (sanhedrinsNIV), and you will be beaten in the  SYNAGOGUES.

You will be brought before rulers and kings for My sake, for a testimony to them.
10 And the gospel must first be preached to all the nations.
11 But when they arrest you and deliver you up, do not worry beforehand, or premeditate what you will speak. But whatever is given you in that hour, speak that; for it is not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit.
12 Now brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; and children will rise up against parents and cause them to be put to death. 13 And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end shall be saved.

14 “So when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not” (let the reader understand), “then let those who are in   JUDEA   flee to the mountains.

15 Let him who is on the housetop not go down into the house, nor enter to take anything out of his house.
16 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes.
17 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!
18 And pray that your flight may not be in winter.
19 For in those days there will be tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the creation which God created until this time, nor ever shall be.
20 And unless the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh would be saved; but for the ELECT’S  sake, whom He chose, He shortened the days. …

24 “But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light;
25 the stars of heaven will fall, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken.
26 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
27 And then He will send His angels, and gather together His ELECT  from the four winds, from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of heaven.

Because this is Jesus teaching, the present day Church is very quick to state, “You see, He’s talking to us!  It is US, the Church, who is to go through the Great Tribulation.”

But is that correct Biblical interpretation, where one passage of Scripture must interpret another passage?

We have to remember WHO Jesus is talking to and what is the CONTEXT of what He is saying.

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Jesus came to the JEWISH population first.
He was Messiah to the JEWS.
He came as a Jew and spoke to the Jews only.

This is evidenced when He tells the Greek mother, “Allow the CHILDREN to be satisfied first, because it isn’t right to take the CHILDREN’S bread and throw  it to the DOGS” {Mark 7:24-28}.

It was ONLY after the Jews rejected Christ as Messiah, that the message of salvation went forth to ALL the world … the Gentiles.

Therefore, Jesus, in telling End Times events, is speaking TO THE JEWS about what the JEWS will have to encounter.

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This is further evidenced in His outlining what will be happening in the End Times Great Tribulation events:
You, the Jews, will be handed over to the Sanhedrin.
You will be beaten in Synagogues.
You are going to see the Temple be desecrated, when the Abomination of Desolation is sitting right in the Temple.
And finally, He states, get  out of JUDEA.

The Sanhedrin could care less / will not care  about gentile Christians.
Nor will they care to bring gentile Christians into any synagogue to be beaten.
The Jews are a separate culture and religion, and don’t give much concern to the gentiles at all.  It is their own culture and religion and traditions that religious/orthodox Jews fight hard to protect.

Lastly,  when one looks at the geographical locations mentioned by Jesus, one can see that the Great End Times Tribulation will be revolving around JUDEA, Israel, Jerusalem, and the TEMPLE.

This one Scripture could give console to the Christian who fears they may have to live through the GREAT Tribulation (versus present days tribulations).  But this ONE Scripture is not all that the Lord has given us.

The book of Daniel teaches:

Daniel 9:20-27

20 Now while I was speaking, praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of   MY PEOPLE ISRAEL,   and presenting my supplication before the Lord my God for the holy mountain of my God,
21 yes, while I was speaking in prayer, the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, reached me about the time of the evening offering.
22 And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, “O Daniel, I have now come forth to give you skill to understand.
23 At the beginning of your supplications the command went out, and I have come to tell you, for you are greatly beloved; therefore consider the matter, and understand the vision:

24 “Seventy weeks are determined For   YOUR  PEOPLE  (Israel)   and for     YOUR  HOLY  CITY  (Jerusalem), To finish the transgression, To make an end of sins, To make reconciliation for iniquity, To bring in everlasting righteousness, To seal up vision and prophecy, And to anoint the Most Holy.

14 Now I have come to make you understand what will happen to  YOUR   people in the latter days, for the vision refers to many days yet to come.”

This one verse alone can stand VERY CLEAR in teaching WHY and upon WHOM the Great Tribulation is to come:

It is coming UPON THE JEWS, Daniel’s own people
and it is coming to Jerusalem, the Holy City.

Why?  To complete the transgression and the punishment of Israel’s transgression for the  rejecting of God / God’s Ways, namely, Jesus the Christ / Messiah.

Now, unfortunately, for some in the Church this one Scripture in Daniel isn’t enough proof.  So let’s move on:

Daniel 12:

1 “At that time Michael shall stand up, The great prince who stands watch over the sons of  YOUR PEOPLE (Again, Daniel’s people are the JEWS … Daniel is NOT a Christian);

And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation, Even to that time. And at that time    YOUR  PEOPLE (again, the JEWS)   shall be delivered, Every one who is found written in the book. (I will say it again …  Daniel is NOT a Christian….therefore, everyone found ‘written in the book’ are the JEWS who get saved in Revelation 7)

5 Then I, Daniel, looked; and there stood two others, one on this riverbank and the other on that riverbank.
6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, “How long shall the fulfillment of these wonders be?”
7 Then I heard the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand to heaven, and swore by Him who lives forever, that it shall be for a time, times, and half a time; and when the power of the   HOLY PEOPLE    has been completely shattered, all these things shall be finished.

Again, these “holy people” are the JEWS, whom God will rescue in the Last Days, at the great and final battle at Armageddon,  when God/Jesus comes from heaven and makes war with the breadth of His mouth – Rev 19:11.  The Jews’ strength will be completely ‘shattered’, leaving them powerless against the nations of the world,  so that God alone will get all Glory and be acknowledged as ‘saving’ the Jews and Israel, as He alone fights and saves Israel and His Holy people, the Jews.

The below Scriptures will show, once again, that the Jews are being punished for their iniquity of rejecting God / Messiah, but that when the fullness of punishment is accomplished IN THE GEOGRAPHICAL LOCATION OF ISRAEL, the Jews will be saved by God:

Jeremiah 30:
3 For behold, the days are coming,’ says the Lord, ‘that I will bring back from captivity My people Israel and Judah,’ says the Lord. ‘And I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.’ ” 4 Now these are the words that the Lord spoke concerning Israel and Judah. 5 “For thus says the Lord: ‘We have heard a voice of trembling, Of fear, and not of peace. 6 Ask now, and see, Whether a man is ever in labor with child? So why do I see every man with his hands on his loins Like a woman in labor, And all faces turned pale? 7 Alas! For that day is great, So that none is like it; And it is the time of   JACOB’S  trouble, (NOT the Church) But he shall be saved out of it.

Isaiah 27:
7 Did the Lord strike ISRAEL as He struck the one who struck Israel?  Was he killed like those killed by Him?  …
9 Therefore JACOB’S iniquity will be purged in this way, and the result of the removal of his sin will be this …
13 On that day a great trumpet will be blown, and those lost in the land of Assyria will come as well as those dispersed in the land of Egypt; and they will worship the Lord at JERUSALEM on the holy mountain.
(Again, JACOB’S iniquity will be purged and the end result will be the worship of God IN the location of Jerusalem).

Isaiah 42: 24  Who gave JACOB to the robber, and ISRAEL to the plunderers?  Was it not the Lord?  Have we not sinned against Him?  They (Israel) were not willing to walk in His ways,  and they would not listen to His instruction.  So He poured out on JACOB (not the Church) His furious anger and the power of war.  It surrounded him (Israel) with fire …

Isaiah 63:
Why is Your apparel red, And Your garments like one who treads in the winepress?
3 “I have trodden the winepress alone, And from the peoples no one was with Me. For I have trodden them in My anger, And trampled them in My fury; Their blood is sprinkled upon My garments, And I have stained all My robes.
4 For the day of vengeance is in My heart, And the year of My redeemed has come
.   (Compare these versus with Revelation 19:15)

7 I will mention the lovingkindnesses of the Lord And the praises of the Lord, According to all that the Lord has bestowed on us, And the great goodness toward the house of  ISRAEL,  Which He has bestowed on them according to His mercies, According to the multitude of His lovingkindnesses.
8 For He said, “Surely they are My people, Children who will not lie.” So He became their Savior.

The next set of Scriptures will tell of the King of the NORTH (which is Russia, some scholars state) coming down upon the geographical location of ISRAEL to make war with the Jews who are now “saints”, as many will be Born-Again as shown in Revelation 7 and Revelation 12 describes the Dragon’s fury with the MOTHER land ISRAEL (women of Rev 12:1), and the seed of the Mother Land, which are the TWELVE TRIBES of ISRAEL, or Jews (Rev 12:1).

Now for more Scriptures showing the Jews and Israel are the destined receivers of God’s Wrath:

Ezekiel 38:
1 Now the word of the Lord came to me, saying,
2 “Son of man, set your face against Gog, of the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal, and prophesy against him …
(These are current cities in Russia)

14 “Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say to Gog, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “On that day when My people  ISRAEL  dwell safely, will you not know it?
15 Then you will come from your place out of the far north, you and many peoples  with you, all of them riding on horses, a great company and a mighty army.

16 You will come up against My people  ISRAEL  like a cloud, to cover the land. It will be in the latter days that I will bring you against  MY LAND, (again, the nation of Israel) so that the nations may know Me, when I am hallowed in you, O Gog, before their eyes.”

17 Thus says the Lord God: “Are you he of whom I have spoken in former days by My servants the prophets of Israel, who prophesied for years in those days that I would bring you against them?
18 “And it will come to pass at the same time, when Gog comes  AGAINST THE LAND OF ISRAEL,”    says the Lord God, “that My fury will show in My face.
19 For in My jealousy and in the fire of My wrath I have spoken: ‘Surely in that day there shall be a great earthquake in the land of  ISRAEL,

20 so that the fish of the sea, the birds of the heavens, the beasts of the field, all creeping things that creep on the earth, and all men who are on the face of the earth shall shake at My presence. The mountains shall be thrown down, the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.’
21 I will call for a sword against Gog throughout all My mountains,” says the Lord God. “Every man’s sword will be against his brother.
22 And I will bring him to judgment with pestilence and bloodshed; I will rain down on him, on his troops, and on the many peoples who are with him, flooding rain, great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.
(compare these with the judgments of God in Revelation)

23 Thus I will magnify Myself and sanctify Myself, and I will be known in the eyes of many nations. Then they shall know that I am the Lord.” ‘

Daniel 11 goes along with the above Ezekiel passages:

13 For the king of the North will return and muster a multitude greater than the former, and shall certainly come at the end of some years with a great army and much equipment.

14 “Now in those times many shall rise up against the king of the South. Also, violent men of YOUR  PEOPLE (Daniel’s people, once again, are the Jews)  shall exalt themselves in fulfillment of the vision, but they shall fall.

So the king of the North shall come and build a siege mound, and take a fortified city; and the forces of the South shall not withstand him. Even his choice troops shall have no strength to resist.

16 But he who comes against him shall do according to his own will, and no one shall stand against him. He shall stand in the GLORIOUS LAND (the Glorious Land is always ISRAEL )   with destruction in his power.

17 He shall also set his face to enter with the strength of his whole kingdom, and upright ones with him; thus shall he do. And he shall give him the daughter of women to destroy it; but she shall not stand with him, or be for him.
18 After this he shall turn his face to the coastlands, and shall take many. But a ruler shall bring the reproach against them to an end; and with the reproach removed, he shall turn back on him. 19 Then he shall turn his face toward the fortress of his own land; but he shall stumble and fall, and not be found.

20 “There shall arise in his place one who imposes taxes on the  GLORIOUS KINGDOM  (again, the GLORIOUS KINGDOM or LAND is always ISRAEL);     but within a few days he shall be destroyed,

It is sad that Christians do not take time to study ALL the passages of Scripture regarding the GREAT Tribulation of the End of the Age, and therefore live in fear that they MUST go through the time of God’s Wrath in the Great Tribulation.

As one studies just the above provided Scriptures (there are many more proving these points) one can clearly see that God’s elect nation, ISRAEL, and God’s elect people, the JEWS, are clearly told that it is THEY who will experience one more great outpouring of God’s Wrath and punishment, before the End of This Age comes to conclusion.

When a Christian does a complete and thorough study of exactly WHAT Christ did for us Believers on the Cross of Calvary, one will be able to see that Christ died for our sins, saving us from the COMING WRATH, to present us holy and ACCEPTABLE to God, The Father.


May we all be blessed with revelation and insight, as we look into God’s Truths and plans for our lives.  In Jesus’ name.  Amen.


“ … I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery:  a partial hardening has come to ISRAEL  UNTIL  the full number of the Gentiles has come in.  And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written:  …  regarding election, they (the Jews) are loved because of their forefathers, since God’s gracious gifts and calling are irrevocable.”
{Romans 11:26-29}

“But God proves His own love for us in that while we were still sinners Christ died for us!  Much more then, since we have now been declared RIGHTEOUS by His blood, we will be SAVED through Him FROM WRATH.”
{Romans 5:9-10}

“Because you have kept My command to endure, I will also KEEP YOU FROM the hour of testing that is going to come over the whole world to test those who live on the earth”
{Revelation 3:10}

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Persecution Because Of The Word


Persecution During The Great Tribulation

There seems to be confusion in the Church regarding whether or not The Church will have to go through the Great Tribulation, since there are End Time passages of Scripture which speak of  “the saints” being persecuted.

One Commenter even recently wrote on this Blog:
“Where was the rapture for all the saints from the first century till now who have suffered, been tortured, and have died for faith in Christ? Where is the rapture for the church in Islamic countries, in China, in India, where is their escape from tribulation? They are being martyred now. They are going through tribulation now.”

The answer that Scriptures teach  two different kinds of persecution is clear when we study Scripture regarding “Persecution Because of the Word” versus “Persecution During The Great Tribulation”.

The following Scriptures will show us that “Persecution For The Words Sake” is to be expected by every Believer, since the time of Christ until the Great Tribulation:

Mt 13:21Show Context

… yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles.

Mr 4:17Show Context

… and they have no root in themselves, and so endure only for a time. Afterward, when tribulation or persecution arises for the word’s sake, immediately they stumble.

Ac 8:1Show Context

Now Saul was consenting to his death. At that time a great persecution arose against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered throughout the regions of Judea and Samaria, except the apostles.

Ac 11:19Show Context

Now those who were scattered after the persecution that arose over Stephen traveled as far as Phoenicia, Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to no one but the Jews only.

Ac 13:50Show Context

But the Jews stirred up the devout and prominent women and the chief men of the city, raised up persecution against Paul and Barnabas, and expelled them from their region.

Ro 8:35Show Context

Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

Ga 5:11Show Context

And I, brethren, if I still preach circumcision, why do I still suffer persecution? Then the offense of the cross has ceased.

Ga 6:12Show Context

As many as desire to make a good showing in the flesh, these would compel you to be circumcised, only that they may not suffer persecution for the cross of Christ.

2Ti 3:12Show Context

Yes, and all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution.

Paul goes as far as to teach Believers that persecution is to be EXPECTED by anyone who desires to live a godly life for/in Christ Jesus!

Now anyone who studies Bible Prophecy knows that the Great Tribulation has not been going on for these past 2,000 years  Therefore, the Bible is teaching that “Persecution for the Sake of the Word” or because of the “Cross” is a different kind of persecution than that which takes place during  the Great Tribulation.

Present day persecution, therefore, IS NOT an indicator that we are IN the Great Tribulation, nor is it an example PROVING that the Church MUST / WILL  go through  the Great Tribulation.

In fact, there is even a difference in the terms “Tribulation” throughout the Bible.

Again, TRIBULATION or TROUBLE is to be expected by those who desire to live godly lives for Christ Jesus AND the GREAT TRIBULATION will be a time of such distress that such has never been experienced  upon the face of the earth yet in history, nor will it ever be repeated on the face of the earth…even as Jesus taught in:

Matthew 24:21 –
“For at that time there will be GREAT TRIBULATION, the kind that hasn’t taken place from the beginning fo the world until now and never ill again!”

Below are Scriptures showing us that there is a DIFFERENCE between the tribulation godly Christians can expect to face NOW VERSUS the Great Tribulation that is to come at the End of this Age.

Tribulation in these current days


The Great Tribulation which is to come

Ro 5:3Show Context

And not only that, but we also glory in tribulations, knowing that tribulation produces perseverance;


Ro 12:12Show Context

rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation, continuing steadfastly in prayer;

2Co 1:4Show Context

who comforts us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort those who are in any trouble, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God.

2Co 7:4Show Context

Great is my boldness of speech toward you, great is my boasting on your behalf. I am filled with comfort. I am exceedingly joyful in all our tribulation.

1Th 3:4Show Context

For, in fact, we told you before when we were with you that we would suffer tribulation, just as it happened, and you know.

2Th 1:6Show Context

since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you,

Re 1:9Show Context

I, John, both your brother and companion in the tribulation and kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was on the island that is called Patmos for the word of God and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Re 2:9Show Context

I know your works, tribulation, and poverty (but you are rich); and I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.


Re 7:14Show Context

And I said to him, “Sir, you know.” So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the GREAT tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Jer 30:7Show Context

Alas! For that day is GREAT, So that none is like it; And it is the time of Jacob’s trouble, But he shall be saved out of it.

Da 12:1Show Context

“At that time Michael shall stand up, The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people; And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as NEVER WAS  since there was a nation, Even to that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered, Every one who is found written in the book.

Now that we have established from Scripture that there is a difference between present persecution and the End Times persecution as well as a difference between present day tribulation or trouble VERSUS the Great Tribulation of the End Times, lets look and see with WHOM and WHERE the Great Tribulation of the End Time is to take place.

This study is continued in Part 2 of “Must The Church Face Persecution During The Great Tribulation?”


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